a) Is there a link to data detail or to a graphic that connects the 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6+ ACE rates to suicide rates ? and b) Is there a link which specifically connects ACEs to Childhood suicide (under-18yrs-suicide-rate)? I am thinking that if most of the studies are retrospective then "b" probably doesn't exist ?
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If the detail to 6+ ACEs is not available, The ACE rates could also be 0, 1, 2, 3, 4+ (instead of the breakout all the way to 6+)
Here's a graphic for the link between ACEs and suicide attempts, Daun. And here's the link to the publication that addressed that -- Dube SR, Anda RF, Felitti VJ, Chapman D, Williamson DF, Giles WH. Childhood abuse, household dysfunction and the risk of attempted suicide throughout the life span: Findings from Adverse Childhood Experiences Study. JAMA. 2001;286:3089â3096.
For the link between ACEs and childhood suicide, you might try the National Survey of Children's Health. I'm not sure it that's something they look at, but it might be there. 
Thank you Jane !
I am still hopeful that there may be a source that somehow links suicide (vs. attempted suicide) to prior history of ACEs.....
Daun Kauffman posted:I am still hopeful that there may be a source that somehow links suicide (vs. attempted suicide) to prior history of ACEs.....
Jane is right, Dube 2001 is traditionally taken as one of / the preeminent "the" article describing risk of suicide with ACEs, but there are others if one wishes to use something like Google Scholar. For example, there's Devaney's 2012 report from Ireland; and Serafini's 2015 systematic review -- both open access so I've attached them. Whether or not these will satisfy your particular interest (I'm still a bit unsure of what that is -- if you can put it into words that will help focus your search), only you will know. But frankly, coming from a high ACEs background myself, having experienced more than my own fair share of suicidal ideation (and a family background where more than suicide occurred), I'm always a bit sceptical of claims like Serafini's that it seems more tied to being sexually abused, as if other forms of adversity haven't an equal or greater effect (which other research supports) --- but traditionally, sexual abuse is the first one to be researched, so I suspect the studies are marred by this methodological problem -- there are systematic reviews and then there are well done systematic reviews.
Let me know if you can refine your topic
Hi, Russell -- Thanks for this info, and for your point about suicide being tied to only (or mostly) sexual abuse, especially, as you point out, other forms of adversity have at least an equal effect.
I'm not sure why this link was posted here, except that it's to do with a worldwide phenomenon -- suicide -- with other places also at times having a higher incidence than usual. In New Zealand there's a concern about how high it is amongst our farmers. Providing social support -- meeting up with others (even "dry pubs") -- and whole--of-life QoL is important -- not just surviving, see here:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...ssCustomisedMessage=
Baiden, the principal author, has also done some good work in the area of childhood adversities, so he's worth looking into
Jane Stevens posted:Hi, Russell -- Thanks for this info, and for your point about suicide being tied to only (or mostly) sexual abuse, especially, as you point out, other forms of adversity have at least an equal effect.
there's this chapter on the history of attention being paid to various forms of childhood abuse that gives some fascinating insights into this -- sexual abuse is also easier to measure -- the CTQ, often used in studies of childhood adversity, isn't much good when it comes to things like emotional abuse
believe it not, linking Baiden and Dorahy wasn't a "flight of ideas" promise ;-)
